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Black Betty
« on: April 24, 2016, 01:34:59 pm »
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2016, 01:52:55 pm »
Nice. Just got it?
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2016, 03:55:32 pm »
Me likey......
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2016, 04:01:43 pm »
Bought it in ebay 2 weeks ago, picked it up today. I can only assume that the El Camino committed suicide because it realized I was getting a new toy. :lol:

It's a 1977 Suzuki GS550, only 8k miles and looks practically brand new. I don't have many customization plans, although as time goes on it may get more and more cafe racer looking. Slimmer gauges would look nice, but I like all the info on the current ones. A new front fork with inverted shocks and dual discs is definitely a possibility down the road, as well as 4-1 exhaust pipe.
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2016, 05:34:34 pm »
Man that thing looks brand fucking new. Good find
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2016, 07:42:25 am »
The clutch is crazy heavy. I'll have to add finger curls to the gym routine. :lol:
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2016, 10:11:33 am »
As old as that thing is, clutch cable (?) might just need some lube, or a full on replacement. My clutch lever was heavy AF... I changed the cable and now it feels like a toy.
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2016, 11:14:27 am »
That's a good possibility. I'll check it out later
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2016, 11:19:43 am »
You can always get a cable luber if the cable itself is in good condition still.
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Re: Black Betty
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2016, 01:34:49 pm »
Rode it around the block a few times. :wub:

The shifter is perfect, way better than the KTM 390 Duke that I sat on. It's got plenty of power and rides smoothly. Brakes are a little weak, but with a single front disc and rear drum that's to be expected.
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2016, 02:22:05 pm »
Weak brakes are a trademark of that vintage of bike.  My brother has a pair of bikes of that era.  Even his CB750, which has twin front rotors, takes a lot more effort on the lever to get the kind of braking one finger will get you on a modern bike.  I've concluded weak brakes were a form of early ABS.
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2016, 02:28:02 pm »
Yeah, even my '99 Nighthawk had crappy brakes. I remember being so amazed by the brakes on my F4i. :lol:
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2016, 02:48:28 pm »
Those gauges remind me of the Honda MB5 I learned how to ride one! I wish I had one of those again for shits and giggles!
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2016, 04:11:01 pm »
WTF that shit is clean as fuck bro
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2016, 05:04:25 pm »
Hell yeah.

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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2016, 05:10:06 pm »
Those gauges remind me of the Honda MB5 I learned how to ride one! I wish I had one of those again for shits and giggles!

I'll race you if you ride one of those instead of your gixxer. :lol:
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2016, 06:25:09 pm »
I'll have to find a way to test the A/F ratio. With the El Camino I tuned the carb to work at both ~700 feet and ~4500 feet above sea level. It runs a little lean in Cincinnati and a little rich in Utah. But that's a big single carb vs. tiny quad carbs, so I'm not sure if it's gonna be more sensitive and require tuning.
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2016, 06:31:33 pm »
Carbs?  Easy. You just mess with screws til it runs right, right?

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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2016, 06:39:37 pm »
Synchronizing and balancing carbs is a PITA.
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2016, 07:06:56 pm »
Synchronizing and balancing carbs is a PITA.

I can imagine. One carb is enough to keep me occupied, not to mention four separate carbs on the same motor.  Fuck thaaaaaat. :mask:

Seems to be running fine, though?  So far. 

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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2016, 07:13:50 pm »
Luckily they were recently rebuilt and synched. I'll check the plug color tomorrow and then ride it around for a few days and check them again to make sure they aren't too lean.
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2016, 07:25:49 pm »
Carbs?  Easy. You just mess with screws til it runs right, right?

Altitude adjustments require changing the jets (or metering rods, as is the case on my car). Then you break out the quad vacuum gauge and mess with screws to tune/synch them.

But with a ~3,000 feet difference, you're usually able to split the difference and it'll run nicely (/nice enough) in both places. It seems to be the consensus that a motor tuned for sea level won't see much issue until 5-6,000 feet. It'll be a bit down on power at 4,000 feet, but that's pretty much unavoidable unless you turbocharge it.
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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2016, 07:51:21 pm »
Carbs sound miserable :lol:
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2016, 07:52:07 pm »
Carbs sound miserable :lol:

I've been trying to cut carbs lately, but it's difficult during finals period. 
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2016, 08:07:56 pm »
Carbs sound miserable :lol:

I both like and dislike them. Being able to tune the engine without relying on a computer is awesome, but there's a learning curve and obviously you have to tinker with them instead of being a one-time tune. I actually think it's easier than most people portray it as. I'm not sure if those people just haven't read up on tuning tips or have feet for hands, but carbs are relatively simple mechanisms. There are lots of little screws and parts, but if you made a diagram for the process it'd be simple.

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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2016, 08:12:21 pm »
I've been trying to cut carbs lately, but it's difficult during finals period. 

I tried a low carb/sugar diet for a few days but didn't have time to prep low carb meals every day during the semester.
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« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2016, 09:28:25 pm »
I tried a low carb/sugar diet for a few days but didn't have time to prep low carb meals every day during the semester.

Low carb is difficult unless you pretty much prepare every meal yourself. 
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2016, 11:13:57 pm »
I'll race you if you ride one of those instead of your gixxer. :lol:
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Low carb is difficult unless you pretty much prepare every meal yourself. 
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Re: Black Betty
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2016, 11:32:43 pm »
Here's a pretty good video. I think the biggest PITA is just accessing the carbs. Most bikes you'll have to remove the tank and seat.

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