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The Mainstream Room / Re: Model 3 still on track for 2017?
« Last post by r0tor on February 23, 2017, 01:12:06 pm »
Check out M/T's Bolt vs. Model S comparo. The Bolt is simply the better car - quality, engineering, and design (esp. interior, particularly the dash and infotainment).

The Model S and X are more toward the kit car end of the spectrum, and I suspect the Model 3 will be no different. The Bolt is a mainstream car built by an established mainstream automaker and it shows.

If the market pays attention, the Bolt might kill Tesla. Tesla was swinging for the fences in hoping that tens of thousands would actually buy and now here comes the Bolt, the much better car hitting the market sooner...



The more more expensive and bigger and heavier and more luxurious car was faster, stopped quicker, handled better, and recharges much faster then the cheaper econobox car

... and your point is?
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The Mainstream Room / Re: Model 3 still on track for 2017?
« Last post by Laconian on February 23, 2017, 01:11:55 pm »
Around where I live, they've replaced a lot of the 5 and 7-series and a lot of the MB E/S-classes. MBs are still fashionable but seemingly among the type that cares more about fashion - expensive sunglasses, LV handbags, etc. The geeks love their Teslas.
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The Fast Lane / Re: TDI fades into regulatory oblivion; Enter Miata
« Last post by Soup DeVille on February 23, 2017, 01:09:31 pm »
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww... a gentle hillbilly!

I knew quite a few when I worked at the farm store. There seem to be more of them than the angry stomping maybe-does-crank junkrats.

Fact is most real rednecks are decent folk; but the more they go out of their way to identify as a redneck, the more of an asshole they likely are.
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The Mainstream Room / Re: Model 3 still on track for 2017?
« Last post by Morris Minor on February 23, 2017, 01:03:31 pm »
Nothing personal to anyone here, but I can't find a reason to care about this car.

Sure DC motors are probably the future, but batteries and 4000lb 200mile poorly finished, unreliable cars aren't. Hopefully.
I think they sell because they are really cool. A lady at work bought one, made no economic or reliability sense, but people flocked out to the parking lot to take a look get rides. They are aspirational items.
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The Mainstream Room / Re: Model 3 still on track for 2017?
« Last post by GoCougs on February 23, 2017, 12:53:24 pm »
Tesla = Apple
The Rest = Android
Fair analogy?

Tesla's danger is being a market pioneer. Rivals come along later, learn from pioneers' mistakes, move the ball up the field, & leave the pioneer in the dust. (Think De Havilland Comet & Boeing 707)

There is a lot going on with battery technology, I watched an excellent 'Nova' about it on PBS. Lithium-Metal batteries seem promising: http://news.mit.edu/2016/lithium-metal-batteries-double-power-consumer-electronics-0817


Thing is Apple usually makes an excellent product - ground breaking, high quality, high margin and high value. Tesla got one of those right ;).

The auto industry is of razor thing margins, huge development cycles, fierce brand loyalty, major pain if there are product problems and immense regulatory intrusion. I don't see how Tesla will crack that code.



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The Mainstream Room / Re: Model 3 still on track for 2017?
« Last post by SJ_GTI on February 23, 2017, 12:29:53 pm »
You know, checking the Bolt out on Chevy's "Build It" site...it looks pretty good. A lot of tech in a small package. Shame it is FWD.
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The Garage / Re: VW Jetta IV - Won't stay running or start
« Last post by CaminoRacer on February 23, 2017, 12:24:15 pm »
italian tuneup
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General Automotive / Re: Car Chat
« Last post by giant_mtb on February 23, 2017, 12:21:28 pm »
Raza's always been a Viggen fan.
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The Mainstream Room / Re: Model 3 still on track for 2017?
« Last post by MrH on February 23, 2017, 12:13:18 pm »
Tesla = Apple
The Rest = Android
Fair analogy?

Tesla's danger is being a market pioneer. Rivals come along later, learn from pioneers' mistakes, move the ball up the field, & leave the pioneer in the dust. (Think De Havilland Comet & Boeing 707)

There is a lot going on with battery technology, I watched an excellent 'Nova' about it on PBS. Lithium-Metal batteries seem promising: http://news.mit.edu/2016/lithium-metal-batteries-double-power-consumer-electronics-0817


No, not a fair analogy at all :lol:
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The Mainstream Room / Re: Model 3 still on track for 2017?
« Last post by SJ_GTI on February 23, 2017, 12:09:11 pm »
Base MSRPs are the same (~$35k).

The bolt actually starts @ 37.5k. I think the Bolt maxes out at like ~44k (excl accessories).

Starting MSRP on the Model 3 will probably be similar, but I suspect it will max out in the 60's if not the 70's or 80's. IIRC Elon Musk tweeted that he expected the average transaction price to be in the mid 40's.
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